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Joyce: "And honey, try not to get kicked out."

Joyce was a good mother to Buffy despite the complications of Buffy being a slayer.

Willow: You're the Slayer, and we're, like, the Slayerettes!

I think what made Buffy different from the slayers before her was that she had a close circle of friends supporting her.

Giles: I'll just jump in my time machine, go back to the Twelfth Century, and ask the vampires to postpone their ancient prophecy for a few days while you take in dinner and a show.

Giles was not just her watcher but a male authoritative figure towards Buffy. She depended on him when her mother died. But then he left so that she could learn how to cope on her own as an adult.

Yes, all very true. Unlike other slayers, Buffy had a support system that went beyond just her watcher, I think that's also why she survived. She had people willing to help. But there came a point where she needed to learn to stand on her own, be the adult, and for that Giles had to move aside and let her make her own way, even though he felt a fatherly desire to protect her from everything he could. He couldn't live her life for her, any more than any other parent can.

Thank you!

Giles: Good Lord. You *were* dead, Buffy.
Buffy: I was only gone for a minute.

Buffy was always a survior. She literally died twice!.

*Xander revived Buffy with CPR from her first death.

*Willow resurrected Buffy from her second death. Although this came with consequences.

I remember both occasions. Slayers are hard to kill because of their physical strength and powers of recovery, but I think Buffy had more than that, because with her friends supporting her she was even stronger. One person alone can only do so much, but she led a small army in the shape of her friends. Having a vampire (Angel and later Spike) on her side didn't hurt either.

Sometimes Giles believed Buffy was too dependent on her slayer strength. In "Helpless" her slayer powers are temporary removed as part of a test.

Buffy: And you'll be stopping me how?
Giles: By appealing to your common sense, if such a creature exists.

Kendra: We can return to your Watcher for orders.
Buffy: I don't take orders. I do things my way.
Kendra: No wonder you died.

But then Kendra dies at the hands of Drusilla and then Faith comes along.

She knew what her friends were capable of.

Buffy: We're talking about two very powerful witches and a thousand-year-old ex-demon.
Anya: Willow's a demon?

But being a leader was a challenge when the big bad became more dangerous than the previous one.

Buffy: I don't know about you guys, but I've had it with super-strong little women who aren't me.

I almost forgot Nathan Fillion played "Caleb". So different from the role he plays now.


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Caleb was so dark. Castle is all light and (mostly) fluffy though he has his dark moments.

One of these days I'm going to write something set during 'Helpless', I just need to do an episode re-watch before tackling it and I have no idea when I'll have time.

Buffy was such a great show because of all the great characters, not just the good guys either, even the Big Bads (and the smaller bads dotted throughout each season) were interesting characters in their own right.

At least Nathan Fillion hasn't been typecast. I still watch Castle for the humor but I think the writers of the show are struggling to make a proper ongoing storyline after Rick and Kate got married.

I saw Nathan on "Two Guys and a Girl". I think his characters Johnny wrote a small poem about his wife, Sharon.

Johnny: I look back at my life, and think about my hot wife.(Reading off a piece of paper)
Sharon: Go on. (Smiles)
Johnny: That's it. (Shows her the paper)

Buffy was a classic. It was a horror/comedy genre that had never been done before.

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I loved Nathan in Firefly, so sad it got cancelled after only a few episodes. The movie Serenity is one of my favourites ever. He's a great actor.

Other shows have tried to capture Buffy's style,. but I can't think of a single one that has managed it. It worked incredibly well, and I think that's largely down to the cleverness of the scripts and the way the ensemble cast worked so well together. The show is a deserved classic.

Another Joss Whedon show that got cancelled was Dollhouse. I saw the first season before I found out it was canned.

Firefly was popular enough to get a movie. They did that with Veronica Mars.

I've never gotten into any other shows with vampires. Charmed was ahead of its time too. The only sci-fi style show that Aaron Spelling did.

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Yeah, I liked Charmed, but it still wasn't a patch on Buffy.

I never got to see Dollhouse, it wasn't on any of the channels that I get here in the UK.

I tried to watch True Blood because I'd liked the books, but I gave up after half an episode. I'm no prude, but it just seemed to be wall-to-wall swearing and it got on my nerves.

I wish there'd been more Firefly movies because Serenity was just awesome, everything I could've wished for. The only downer was losing a couple of the characters. I loved them all so that hurt. Doesn't stop me loving the movie to bits though.

I got into watching Buffy straight away. My mum was watching Charmed first so I end up watching with her. I have to admit the writing was better on Buffy. I think the in fighting wasn't the only reason Shannon left Charmed.

Dollhouse had promise. I found out off the internet right before season two was shown in Australia. Now I usually do research on a show that looks interesting to see if it has longevity before I watch it because I don't want to get emotionally invested if it gets cancelled. Thank goodness for the internet.:)

I saw a snippet of true blood and it looked too gory for my liking. I know Twilight and Vampire Diaries are popular since I've had people ask me about them, particularly the first one. Then I have to say that I don't watch that show.

The downside to watching your favorite show is when a character is killed off. It changes the dynamic.

Tell me about it! I was a massive Torchwood fan for the first two seasons, then at the end of season 2, two characters were killed off, in the very short season 3 my favourite character was killed, leaving just two of the ensemble - the hero and the one character I hated. I didn't bother watching season 4, there was nothing left of the show I'd loved.

I haven't seen The Vampire Diaries or the Twilight films, haven't read the books either, they just don't appeal. Buffy was so completely different it hooked me from the first episode. I really am due a re-watch, problem is finding the time when there's so much else I want to do. A lot of shows I can listen to while doing something else, but with Buffy I always like to watch properly, there's so much going on that you miss if you're not paying attention.

You're right, the writing on Charmed wasn't as good, I watched it more as light entertainment than as a serious drama. Buffy had more depth somehow, the situations resonated more because there's the whole horror of being something of an outcast in high school, not fitting in with the popular crowd and just trying to find your place in life. The Charmed sisters are all older so it's a different dynamic.

I was hoping that Torchwood wouldn't lose its momentum.

Why was series 3 so short anyway?. Was it because they had a smaller main cast?.

They always call it specials, when the series is short. It was okay when RTD did specials for the Tenth Doctor.

I know John Barrowman said in an interview that when a person dies, its not an instant thing to automatically have someone take there place.
That was why the doctor that double crossed them was just a red herring. But an outsider has to interact with the main cast to get the story going as well. I wish the RTD knew how to make a proper heroine out of Gwen. She didn't even have survivors guilt as far as I could tell.

On well. I didn't really care for the story-arc anyway so the upside was that it didn't drag longer. I would have preferred a proper series or no series at all. The Children of Earth should just have been made into a TV movie so it could have been shorter if RTD wasn't able to do it better.

I shouldn't have bother watching "Miracle Day". I guess that since Torchwood was more popular in American, that RTD decided to shift it over there. Gwen made have been less annoying. But did the new guy Rex have to be really irritating to make it so. I did like that moment when she states that she is Welsh not British. I really hate when people are ignorant of a persons nationality, especially when they are trying to put the other person down. In some shape or form. Particularly if they are being racist.

However I didn't like having a pedophile as part of the story. I can never see Bill Pullman the same way again. Even if it was only alluded to. RTD may be able to hit the mark. But most of the time he missed it. The explicit sex and violence outweighed the story line which was pointless. I can only assume RTD was trying to be controversial.

I take watching Angel, which was the inspiration for Torchwood despite being a spin off of Doctor Who, over ever seeing Torchwood again.

Sometimes when books are made into TV shows or movies, they lose some of the essence that makes it good. Doesn't stop Hollywood from making films about comic book characters though.

I did a rewatch a few years ago on Buffy and still found it interesting to watch. Charmed was written by a producer who usually did soap drama so the writing style was different and the witches didn't use spells written in Latin.

Phoebes relationship with Cole reminded me a bit of the ups and downs of Buffy's relationship with Angel. Piper sometimes annoyed me when she panicked.

I think Charmed got its ideas from Greek mythology and religious elements.

From what I've heard and read, both CoE and Miracle Day were written as original scripts, but because nobody wanted to make them as TV shows or movies, RTD recycled them as Torchwood scripts. He must have made minimal changes because everyone was acting out of character during Children of Earth and the strongest scenes had nothing to do with Torchwood. I hated it. Everything I liked about Torchwood - the Cardiff setting, the Hub, the SUV, most of the cast, the Rift, the Weevils - was ditched, the action moved to London and the plot was idiotic, particularly when set in the Whonivers. More than seven years on, I still feel betrayed because of the outright lies we were told about how much we'd love the developments in the Jack/Ianto relationship. >=[

I still enjoy both Buffy and Angel. I'll never watch CoE again, but despite Gwen being annoying, I still like the first two seasons of Torchwood. I completely refuse to watch Miracle Day at all, though I read synopses of the episodes. The whole thing sounded awful. Buffy and Angel stand the test of time. CoE and Miracle Day never will.

I've seen some episodes of Charmed recently, but it hasn't aged well. Then again, I've been watching re-runs of MacGyver too and so much of that is laughable, particularly the female characters and attitudes towards women, and the oh so outdated technology. The computers may have been state-of-the-art back then (my boyfriend had something similar) but nowadays, looking at them... ROFLMAO!

It's unfortunate that RTD couldn't have done the series the way he wanted in the first place. But then
again maybe he should have seen the rejection of the script as a sign to not do it at all.

I thought the bit where Gwen was the "expert" on how to survive on the run was very OC. Jack and Ianto
weren't amateurs. Did we really need to see Jack "killed" and resurrected again?. The pain he goes
through is unbearable.

I did like the bit where Rhys thought he would have time to read a book while on the run.

You could overlook Gwen's attitude in the first two series because of the stories. We still had more
characters to focus on.

Buffy and Angel had the best humor. So that never gets old. I watched MacGyver when I was a kid but I
forgot most of it except for his nemesis Murdoc and the fact that MacGyver could invent things despite
the logic.

Yeah, that's pretty much MacGyver in a nutshell, but Richard Dean Anderson is just always fun to watch. It's pure escapism, nostalgia.

Gwen being an expert was just unbelievable, she's the least likely person to know that stuff, she's had a sheltered life before Torchwood, but she was RTDs darling, the character who would always have everything her way, who nothing bad would ever happen to. Jack and Ianto were apparently supposed to be the comic relief in CoE, because repeatedly killing someone is great for laughs? Just disgusting.

I don't think the CoE script should have been made. It definitely shouldn't have been used as a Torchwood script, it forced the characters into roles they didn't fit and made them look stupid.

We should just let it go. Torchwood would have been better off if it had been cancelled after series 2. I think I'm still annoyed because I think of how good it could have been.

With Season 2, the show was just hitting its stride, and then RTD basically destroyed it. Still, it means that Torchwood fanfic writers have a lot of scope for writing stories. It's the fandom I started out with, and still the one I write the most for (with FAKE coming a close second), and that's largely because anything goes. The Rift means that anything can fall through from any place and any time, plus alien technology can do anything a writer wants it to. Add to that all the different genres possible from heartbreaking angst to complete crack, and all the potential crossovers... It's the perfect fanfic fandom. Most of the time I ignore CoE - except for writing fixits - and even ignore Owen and Tosh dying. Having the whole team, amd extras, to play with is more fun.

I was hoping that Torchwood wouldn't lose its momentum. Why was series 3 so short anyway?. Was it because they had a smaller main cast?.

They always call it specials, when the series is short. It was okay when RTD did specials for the Tenth Doctor.

I know John Barrowman said in an interview that when a person dies, its not an instant thing to automatically have someone take there place.
That was why the doctor that double crossed them was just a red herring. But an outsider has to interact with the main cast to get the story going as well. I wish the RTD knew how to make a proper heroine out of Gwen. She didn't even have survivors guilt as far as I could tell.

On well. I didn't really care for the story-arc anyway so the upside was that it didn't drag longer. I would have preferred a proper series or no series at all. The Children of Earth should just have been made into a TV movie so it could have been shorter if RTD wasn't able to do it better.

I shouldn't have bother watching "Miracle Day". I guess that since Torchwood was more popular in American, that RTD decided to shift it over there. Gwen made have been less annoying. But did the new guy Rex have to be really irritating to make it so. I did like that moment when she states that she is Welsh not British. I really hate when people are ignorant of a persons nationality, especially when they are trying to put the other person down. In some shape or form. Particularly if they are being racist.

However I didn't like having a pedophile as part of the story. I can never see Bill Pullman the same way again. Even if it was only alluded to. RTD may be able to hit the mark. But most of the time he missed it. The explicit sex and violence outweighed the story line which was pointless. I can only assume RTD was trying to be controversial.

I take watching Angel, which was the inspiration for Torchwood despite being a spin off of Doctor Who, over ever seeing Torchwood again.

Sometimes when books are made into TV shows or movies, they lose some of the essence that makes it good. Doesn't stop Hollywood from making films about comic book characters though.

I did a rewatch a few years ago on Buffy and still found it interesting to watch. Charmed was written by a producer who usually did soap drama so the writing style was different and the witches didn't use spells written in Latin.

Phoebes relationship with Cole reminded me a bit of the ups and downs of Buffy's relationship with Angel. Piper sometimes annoyed me when she panicked.

I think Charmed got its ideas from Greek mythology and religious elements.